A Mindset of Abundance: How Ken Van Liew Created a Real Estate Empi

Episode 103: A Mindset of Abundance: How Ken Van Liew Created a Real Estate Empire

The Profit First REI Podcast

August 11, 2022

David Richter

Summary:

Another special guest is here with us today, and that is none other than Ken Van Liew. Ken has done some incredible things in the real estate space. He owns Global Real Estate Strategies, has built skyscrapers and raised a ton of money as a developer. Ken’s always on the go, looking for deals and doing great things to level up his business. His expertise and strategic tactics are a must-hear, so we invited him on the show today.

Key Takeaways:

[1:57] What got him started in real estate?

[4:26] Ken talks about his journey from where he was then to where he is now in his real estate career

[8:19] What early lessons did he learn about money and how does that compare to his money mindset today?

[12:07] What lessons about money does he want to pass on to the next generation?

[14:41] What are some of the difficult issues he encounters when teaching about money mindset?

Quotes:

[2:45] “I learned from my failures. I failed four times before I passed it, but it built a lot of character.”

[12:39] “I personally believe if you live in a mindset of abundance, you’ll always have enough money.”

Links:

The Richest Man in Babylon by George Clason-https://www.amazon.com/Richest-Man-Babylon-George-Clason/dp/1505339111 

The Obstacle is The Way by Ryan Holiday-https://www.amazon.com/Obstacle-Way-Timeless-Turning-Triumph/dp/1591846358 

Deep Work by Cal Newport-https://www.amazon.com/Deep-Work-Focused-Success-Distracted/dp/1455586692 

Ken’s Website-https://kenvanliew.com 

Global Real Estate Investment Enterprise-https://go.kenvanliew.com/mwbf-benefits-video 

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Transcript:

Ken Van Liew:

Once you look at money as I could really contribute, you know, and without margin, there’s no real mission. And once you kind of sort that all out, you know, you’ll be very, very successful with money.

Intro:

Welcome to the Profit First REI podcast, where real estate investors, master financial management, eradicate entrepreneurial poverty, and learn to be profitable from day one. Now for your host, David Richter,

David Richter:

Everyone. Welcome back to the Profit First REI podcast. I’m your host David Richter here with Ken Van Liew, another special guest here, this, this guy’s done some awesome things in the real estate investing space, probably things that you might have dreamed of before as a budding real estate investor or wherever you are on your journey. He owns a global real estate strategies and does a lot of different things there, but he’s also a developer he’s built skyscrapers raised a ton of money in the past, currently raising money. I mean, always on the go. I see Ken all over Facebook and doing a lot of great stuff. I see him in these rooms and he’s very well respected in these masterminds that we attend. So I wanted to have Ken on the show to give his expertise of what he’s seen and what he’s done. So, Ken, thanks for being on the show today.

Ken Van Liew:

Oh, thank you, David. It’s always a pleasure. And you know, what really wants me to contribute back is seeing, you know, you young guys, you know, wanting to make it happen and step up and, and, you know, just take it to the next level and, you know, to see young guys like yourself, which such wisdom, pain a forward at this, stage’s just, it’s amazing. And I wanna be part of it. So thank you.

David Richter:

Awesome. No, I, I appreciate that and yeah, we definitely wanna want to keep the momentum rolling, want to keep the, the real estate investing spirit and entrepreneurial spirit alive. So I really appreciate that, but Ken, let’s, let’s start at the beginning. What got you started in real estate?

Ken Van Liew:

You know, I, I took an, an interesting path that I call from the top down. You know, I I came out of a skyscraper, I guess you would say conundrum that I was stuck in for many years, 20 years, but you know, it left me with tremendous experience and that journey started, you know, not necessarily knowing that what I was doing was NEC was connected to real estate. You know, I, I created this six year college plan, so I wasn’t the sharpest tool in the shed. And I eventually graduated civil engineering. And by the time I graduated, I had some construction experience. I was actually a superintendent on skyscrapers in New York city. Wow. So here I was, you know, trying to become an engineer and, you know, then I, you know, I, like I said, you know, I, I, I, I learned from my failure, so I failed my past four times before I passed it, but it built a lot of character <laugh> and you know, by the time I passed it, I really appreciated number one, but it had made me work harder to build myself up the ladder in construction and building.

Ken Van Liew:

And, you know, and I had won this award in engineering. It was a site development award. So all these little seeds were getting planted, like, okay, you can engineer a development site, you can build the skyscraper. I wasn’t connected at the real estate yet until, you know, I read a book. It was, I was by Robert Allen, I think, you know, Nothing Down. I was reading that cuz I didn’t have any money <laugh> and you know, I start was starting to build my six figure debt, going to school, student loans, all that kind of good stuff. And I literally was the superintendent on a 30 story building in Brooklyn, looking over at Manhattan, the world trade center. And I was like, you know, I gotta do something bigger and better, man. I just built this building and I can’t even afford to pay my bills. <Laugh> when I had friends. Yeah. And I had six figure debt and I was like, then I started like, well, you know, like, do I have to be born into the family here? Or like, can I actually figure this out? You know? Cause most of the people that I was dealing with had a little bit of a silver spoon, you know,

Ken Van Liew:

So all of a sudden that was kind of like, wow, how do I figure out how to buy real estate with no money down? That’s how it kind of it’s all started, you know?

David Richter:

Yeah. That’s, that is that is an interesting story. Cuz like you said, you started with the skyscrapers and now, you know, helping other people get into it and really helping, you know, people transform their lives, you know, getting in with either residential or whatnot. So talk about the journey. So from where you were then of like, okay, no money down and then where you are now and helping people. So just tell about the story there.

Ken Van Liew:

Yeah. So here, here I was, you know, I was you know, we had a hard time having kids. I think it was like 1992. I started thinking about it, you know, I was like, okay, I have twins. You know, I wanna leave this legacy, but it’s not gonna happen working for somebody. And I, and I was building a billion dollar project at the time. Hmm. And I, I was able to work myself up the ladder. So all this stuff that I didn’t know was really rated to related to real estate with, you know, being with the financing, et cetera. And I was getting all this experience and then around 1997, I was like, wow. If one day, you know, by that time, you know, the twins, I couldn’t afford to buy formula and diapers. I was so expensive. You know, it was just a lot every week.

Ken Van Liew:

But you know, I, I I kept going to school at night and learning and in 1997 I opened up a company called KJV development. And all I knew was that I knew how to build. And I, I said to myself, you know, developers make 5% development fees. And I was like, wow, if I could build, I just built this a hundred million dollar project. If I could do a $10 million project for myself, I’ll pay myself a half a million. So I started like not sleeping much at night cause I’m like, I could do that. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> next thing you know you know, I told my wife, you know, I wanted to try something new. She had told me to go to this golf outing, make a long story short, I’m playing golf daydreaming. Like, Hey, maybe I can join a country club one day and I’ll hang out with all these people with money.

Ken Van Liew:

Tell my story. Don’t gimme a check. Well, sure enough, that story came true. Wow. You know, I went on a golf outing. You know, I had this thing, like I’m gonna create a group of 10 people give ’em first, write a refusal, I’m gonna buy an investment property. I’m gonna develop it. They’re gonna all gimme, you know, a hundred grand a piece and I’m gonna be off and running. And I literally in that daydream made that come true at the end of the, at the end of the the golf outing. I said, Terry, they’re having an executive special. I joined a country club for five grand. It was about proximity is power. I was around people with money. I rented the president’s room. I’m like, you know what, I’m gonna do a presentation. I remember going to staples and having this graph that I was literally drawing it out, showing how the, their investment was gonna increase.

Ken Van Liew:

And I literally through that investment of five grand to join the country club raised 1.7 million to develop my first project. It was 17 million bucks that I literally got through calling architects and engineers that led to a doctor that had a property that I was able to do a letter of intent by pencil hand that led to a contract. And I was, I kind of never looked back and you know, I had this incredible journey. You could ask tons of questions. And the modern wealth building formula kind of came out of me cuz I’m like, what am I actually doing here? You know, I’m finding funding of facilitating deals. And what I did was, you know, I proved it on a skyscraper in 2008 and then in 2016, 15 end of 15, 16 founded Flipping USA. And we did 137 deals in one year. Oh wow. Using formula. And then we wrote the book when we finally said, okay, what is this? How do I articulate it? And then we realized, okay, now that my head is clear and I got all that book stuff out of my head, let me go back. And now we’re building skyscrapers horizontally. So we have about, you know, a hundred thousand, a hundred acres under development, you know, and, and that’s what we’re doing, you

David Richter:

Know? Wow. Yeah, that’s incredible. And you’re also teaching people and you’re also helping other people. So we’ll get into that near the end, but I love what you’re doing. You, you know, you’re not only are going out there and for rain, you know, into it and getting the deals done, but then teaching other people how to do it. And I love love when people do the deals and then they’re able to go out and transform other people’s lives as well, too. So, but since this is the Profit First REI podcast, let’s dig into money a little bit, the mindset around money and just, you know, well, how we think about it. So what early lessons, Ken, did you learn about money and how does that compare to how you think about money today?

Ken Van Liew:

Hmm, great question. So, you know, I was, I was actually talking about belief systems today to one of my, one of my students and you know, my belief system because, you know, my dad was, you know, blue collar and my uncle actually worked on wall street, but I wrestled between, you know, watching my uncle on wall street occasionally on Sundays when we get together. And wonder why my belief system was that money doesn’t grow on trees. Right? Mm-hmm <affirmative> and money does grow on trees. There’s actually an abundance of it. You know, if you have the right mindset and you know, my whole thought about money was confusing at first because my mom was a bank teller. And, you know, I wrote about it. It’s funny in the, in the first chapter of my book, how, you know, back in the day, you probably have never even seen one, but you had this savings book that you would put into a machine, it would stamp your balance, you know, and I remember I had all this money saved in a piggy bank and I remember her going, Hey, you know, empty out that piggy bank and let’s go open up your first bank account, you know, and I was a little afraid of money cuz my parents didn’t have money.

Ken Van Liew:

And you know, I realized that I didn’t have enough money if I wanted to go to college cuz $10 a week, you know, wasn’t working well for me after buying a pack and washing my clothes <laugh> so I, you know, I went to financial aid route and student loan and figured out, you know, I need to get rid of this fear about money because all it was gonna do was hold me back. You know? And it’s funny because the fear never went away, you know, as late as you know, in 2008 when we lost it the first time, you know, it came back loud and clear like, wow, is, is this, you know, is this how it is? And then it’s funny cuz then I cleared that. And then in 2000 you know, when actually 2001, when the towers collapsed was the first time, then 2008, it came back again.

Ken Van Liew:

You know, I, I actually got, so in my head I thought I’d cause the market crash, you know? Oh, wow. But you know, so, and then after that, you know, I really, you know, about four years it took right. Cause you know, at that point I, I was like, wow, you know, I almost bought Stewart’s root beer and got outta real estate. Totally. And I you know, was like 500 projects in New York city stopped, you know, there’s just cranes standing up. Yeah. You know? And it was like, okay, I just spent 20 years. Everything’s upside down. Maybe I’ll go do something else. You know? So, you know, through some trial and tribulations, it took probably a good three years, you know, cause we lost 330 million in one day. Wow. When Lehman brothers crashed, it took almost four years for a 2012 where I went back into the game, I guess you could say mm-hmm <affirmative> and the good news was I survived, you know? And and then after getting burned a couple times, you know, I, you know, I sharpened, you know, just got, you know, sharpened up for the war, I guess in New York city. And then we, you know, we rose up the ranks again and you know, by 16, you know, I had to reinforce concrete company in New York pouring towers. So that was a pretty powerful thing. And then I said, okay, I’m working too hard. Let’s go enjoy life cuz you know, working hard could be an addiction. So you gotta be careful.

David Richter:

<Laugh> right. Yeah. Yeah. No kidding. So which brings me to another question, whereas, because you’re a parent, correct. You’ve got, you’ve got children, you’ve got correct. Okay.

Ken Van Liew:

I have kids. Yeah. They

David Richter:

Do. That’s where, because I see you with them, you know, like I see the pictures that you post and like, you know, that type of stuff. So I love that you’re spending time with them that you’re doing that. But then also what lessons about money? Do you wanna pass on to them and to the next generation and how you even mentioned, you know, us as younger entrepreneurs, you know, like what are you wanting to pass on to make sure that we, we carry that torch?

Ken Van Liew:

Yeah. You know, it’s, it’s it’s and these are things that I say to myself on a, on a daily basis, cuz you know, when you do large developments, you know, everybody has cash flow. So you know, you can very easily have your emotions be dictated by the balance of your bank account or you know, things like that. So, you know, you know, it’s the old cliche, you know, you know, I personally believe if you live in the mindset of abundance, you’ll always have enough money. You know, the whole key is, you know, thinking about how do you create, you know, I call it you know, basically disposable revenue so that you can enjoy life. You know, and, and it’s really a matter of, you know, uncluttering the space that, you know, the managing of money, you know, along the, you know, the old principles of the richest man in Babylon, you know, get into the habit of, you know, saving, you know, 10% a week and, you know, get into those good saving habits, you know?

Ken Van Liew:

And my son was an Eagle scout, you know, I taught a lot of, I was an Eagle advisor, you know, learn what your budget is at at a young age and what your expenses are, you know you know, don’t be as afraid to leverage yourself and understand credit, you know? So I, I guess I could say, you know, educate yourself, don’t, don’t be afraid about money and and don’t be afraid to ask people to help you about money, you know, you know, being vulnerable, you know you know, there was times that that I had money and I was a lot happier than when, you know, so when I didn’t have money and I was a lot happier than when I did have money, you know, if that makes sense. Yeah. You know, so there’s pros and cons to having money and it’s, it’s really comes down to this, you know, and it’s a little bit of a game, but once you, once you look at money, as I could really contribute, you know, and without margin, there’s no real mission. And once you kind of sort that all out, you know, you’ll be very, very successful with money.

David Richter:

No, I like that a lot. That was a good, that was a good one liner right there without margin. There’s no mission. So yeah, I really do. I like that a lot, cuz that’s what, that’s what we teach, you know, you gotta have profit to accomplish why you started the business. So that margin helps you fulfill that mission. I love that. Absolutely. So the, you teach a lot of people right now and a lot of real estate investors, what’s one of the things they struggle with the most when as you’re teaching them, is it the mindset? Is it the, you know, the deal flow? What what are some of those top issues that they run across?

Ken Van Liew:

Yeah. Well there’s two belief systems, you know, that are always really prevalent. You know, one, you know, how am I gonna get the money? And you know, I’m not good enough, you know, which is the psychological side, I guess. Yep. You know, and then the other thing that I find is, you know, they, you know, they don’t have, you know, a system, they don’t have an accountability and they’re lacking knowledge, right. So, you know, with all of those components, you know, I call it the runway, you know, and you know, you need a certain amount of fuel and gear in order to get, you know, into the air. Yeah. You know, and, and it takes a little bit of time, you know, and it’s not a sprint, you know, it’s, it’s a runway and you know, eventually you’re gonna take off, you know, if you, if you’re coachable, I guess you could say yes, but you know, I, I figured out the runway and you know, the, you know, the accountability, the knowledge, the mentorship, the accountability, the you know, the, the things that people need to, to get through the personal development, just from years with Tony Robbins and things, you know, my, my ability, you know, I don’t know if you’ve ever heard my mantra you know, hanging out, I allow people to hang out with me for a couple hours a week.

Ken Van Liew:

Right. And you know, it’s a lifetime thing. So you, you know, invest to hang out with Ken, it’s a consulting thing. If you’re serious in real estate, you get to talk to kind of the number one, one of the number one advisors in the world. And, you know, that’s how I do it. It’s an enterprise. And, you know, that gives the ability to have all the knowledge, the accountability, the mentorship, and the relationship equity from the ecosystem that’s created. And that’s kind of what I do. You know, I, I try to create something extraordinary that people can be part of which, which is effective for me and my time and effective for them and allows people to achieve what they really want. And, you know, it’s all because, you know, my, my mantra is, you know, I am an honest and loving leader to create magical empowering skills to all mankind and to leave each person that I meet with power, freedom, self-expression and peace of mind and the life that they want.

David Richter:

Awesome. I absolutely love that. That’s, that’s a mission that’s worth fulfilling and getting up every single day to help others get, you know, to achieve what they can truly achieve. And isn’t that the truth that you see that all the time, you know, people just in their mind, in their own mind, we are our own worst enemies, a lot of the time. And most of the time, if not a hundred percent of the time that it is all up here in our head space, and we need to get that need to get that right. And a lot of other things take care of itself, because like you said, I love what you said. You said I’ve had money and I haven’t had money and I’ve been happy both times, you know? And it’s like, I need to be the creator of when I’m happy and not that bank account, not that balance. So that’s where I love, I love asking the questions on this podcast, cuz the people I bring on have that abundance mentality have that go-getter attitude want to make that world a better place. So Ken, this is, this has been awesome. I, we only just a couple questions here left. Is there anything else you’d recommend, any other advice last minute advice to give to all the real estate investors listening on this podcast? Yeah,

Ken Van Liew:

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, you gotta create boundaries in your life, right? One, one of the most profound things that I got recently that I realized why I’m so successful, it’s, it’s, it’s deep work. The world is an entire distraction right now, right? Social media is highly addictive and you know, you really need to set the boundaries in the sense that, you know, I believe in, you know, starting your day off with some type of personal morning ritual where, you know, you really get grounded on your why and, and what’s happening and you know, mm-hmm, <affirmative>, you know, and, and, and I have to say that and with that, you know, health is number one. I mean, I’m, you know, thank God so far. I haven’t had any unhealthy reports. I turned 60 this week. I’m I think I’m pretty good handsome.

Ken Van Liew:

I here, my metabolic age is 40. I am like full of energy. And you know, that happened over time, you know, 20 years ago I was 246 pounds today. I weigh 172 and I never really dieted, you know, I just changed my lifestyle, you know, back then was, you know, drinking and drugging and partying and all that kind of stuff. And you know, now it’s about paying it forward and, and, you know, leaving a legacy with my children and being proud. You know, my son’s a us intelligence reconnaissance officer. My daughter works at NYU, married a doctor, my younger just got engaged. He’s a powerhouse rides horses. I, I fall off horses. <Laugh>, you know, and I’ve been with the same woman. It’s gonna be 40 years this year, you know, and that’s, you know, it’ll choke me up, but that’s, that’s what life’s all about.

Ken Van Liew:

You know, it’s about this year, picking apples and going pumpkin picking with, you know, and going to the porch Fest where your kids come home and they want to be with you and hang out with you and then planning yesterday, how Christmas is gonna be mom and dad are gonna come stay for a bunch of days and you know, and you get to, you know, spend the money that you make and share all these great things. And, you know, just, I guess, believe that you can create an extraordinary life for yourself, you know, no matter what obstacles are getting thrown at you, there’s a great book. The obstacle is the way another great book I just read is called deep work. And you know, it’s all about the deep work and, and losing the distractions and recognizing, you know, when you gotta start smelling the coffee stuff <laugh>

David Richter:

Wow. Now I love that I’ve got, got deep work right here behind me. If you, if you’re watching the podcast deep work, that yellow book it’s by account Newport, incredible book. It is, it, it made me want to throw my phone away. Like after I read it, cuz it is, it is incredible. Just how distracted we can be. And then you said the word boundaries at the beginning, that’s such such a great, a great word. And also there’s a great book around that too. I don’t know if, if you haven’t read it, if you’re listening right now by John Townsend and Henry cloud that’s another great book, just about setting personal boundaries in your life or in your business, you know, that’s, I can looks the way he does. If you can see him, if you’re not just listening to it, but watching it on YouTube or whatnot, he does, he does not look 60. Like when he said 60, I almost fell on the floor here because yeah, he’s very healthy. I’ve seen him at these masterminds and that’s exactly what every one of us wants as we grow. And as we mature, we wanna make sure that we’re in the right space. Love those. Those were Ken. I think that is the key. That was just, that was the key to success right there, getting up, having that routine, making those daily habits. So that way you wake up 60 looking like you’re 40

Ken Van Liew:

<Laugh> and I want, and I wanna, I wanna tell everybody I wanna, I wanna, so the distinction that occurred in 2001, when the towers collapsed is I put a stake in the ground, right? So I want everybody who’s ever listening today to please take your stake out and put it into ground, right? Cause I put that stake in the ground and that week I lost my best friend. He worked for Canor Fitzgerald, the towers collapsed, but I put my stake in the ground that I was gonna make a difference in the world and that I was gonna be in the best shape of my life. At 60, I wrote down on a piece of paper, 180 8, 32 inch waist by blank. I forget what it was. It was probably a year out. I came back after spending a couple hours with Stu middleman, Stu middleman as a world record holder, he ran from New York to California, 27, marathons, 22 and a half marathons every single day for 27 days.

Ken Van Liew:

No. Wow. 57 days, two and a half marathons for 57 days. He ran from New York to California. He taught me how to run. So at 2 46, I came back home, started chugging in the morning at five o’clock in the morning in order to take that stake and make it a reality, right? Yeah. So today you can put a stake in the ground, right? No matter what’s happening in life. COVID, you know, I got hit with COVID. I stood on Madison avenue crying two years ago, looking up and down going, I’ve never seen Madison avenue without a bus or a car. People were dying around me. They had refrigerator boxes at the hospital. I’m like, I’m going home, you know, but I was scared shit. Right. Yeah. And I’m just a normal guy. Like everybody else. I put my, my pants on one leg at a time and I’m just telling you, it’s the stakes in the ground. It’s, it’s making things bigger than yourself. It’s you know, getting your rear outta bed in the morning a little bit earlier. Right. You know, I got, I woke up at five in the morning, every day for 20 years. I was four hours ahead of everybody by 9:00 AM. Right?

David Richter:

Yeah. No kidding.

Ken Van Liew:

It makes a difference. Figure out how many extra hours that was. I got 125,000 hours into this engineering construction and real estate. So I’ve done all the heavy lifting. So, you know, if you’re interested in ever finding out, you know, more, you know, you could definitely Google me and I’ll pop up.

David Richter:

<Laugh> awesome. Well, speaking of you provided a ton of value here and I love what you said. I think what Ken gave here at the end is the true key to success. It is that getting up earlier it is, is those little things that add up to the big things where, like you said, he’s 60 running, you know, in shape, spending time with family encourag, you know, like it just gives you better head space. So with all this great information, all this great value, how can our listeners provide value back to you? What are you in the middle of right now? What are you doing?

Ken Van Liew:

You know, I, I just, I just want you to know that the modern wealth building formula, you know, this thing we found out really applies to, to any business, cuz it’s really all about finding funding and facilitating, you know, I talked a little bit about the runway, you know, I I’d recommend you, everybody, you know, take a look at the modern wealth building formula and, and, and imagine your own creation that you could do was that about finding funding of facilitate, whether it’s a business, the world now there’s all kinds of business opportunities, real estate opportunity is gonna be a frenzy. And, and just, you know, check out my website, Ken van lu.com. If you’re ever interested in hanging out, we have, you know, the global real estate investment enterprise, which, you know, if you go through my website enough, you’ll find something. And then, then it’ll tell me that you are really interested in talking to me, but yeah, we got all kinds of good stuff. You know, I can get in touch, you know, touch with, I’m not, you know, in the clouds yet. But you know, we’re just working hard to help people and it’s, it’s all good. I didn’t mean to be facetious there I’m, I’m never gonna be in the clouds until I, you know, I rise up for some other reason, you know?

David Richter:

Right. No, I get you. Awesome. Well, there you go. Me get with Ken go to his website, Ken van lou.com. That’s L I E w. So Ken van lou.com really really enjoyed having you on today. Ken, I think this was a great episode, thanks for giving your mentality around money, but then also just the abundance and what to do every single day in order to get where you really want to be no matter where you are right now. So really appreciate having you on today.

Ken Van Liew:

David, it’s been my pleasure and I just want to congratulate you again on your new book and just, you know, check this guy out cuz of a 60 year old is looking at this young guy. You want to check him out too.

David Richter:

Awesome. Thanks Ken.

Ken Van Liew:

Yep.

David Richter:

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So come join active real estate investors who are supporting each other and growing their businesses and profits together. That’s what that group is all about. The link should be in the description below. And if you’re interested in working with us and implementing Profit First in your real estate business, we offer coaching and guidance. So if you wanna work with someone who’s actually Profit First certified and who works right now currently with real estate businesses, you can actually go start your application process by going to simpleCFO.com/apply, or just go right to simpleCFO.com. And there’s an applied button right on there. If you wanna actually start your Profit First journey with someone who can actually walk you through those step by step and help, you know, and grow your cash flow. Thanks again for joining us for another episode of the Profit First REI Podcast. See you next episode!